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Tattoo65
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Does any body have a wiring diagram for a 2020 super soco tc max they could share with me. Thank you, Andy.

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Totofaki
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What are you trying to achieve ? I don't think you will find one. 

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I’m trying to find out where tha hall sensor wiring is and how to test that they work.

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@tattoo65 just follow the cables that goes out of the motor. You have to find the one containing several little ones. I have put a kelly on my tc max before it's pretty straightforward. Just tell me if you need more details.

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@totofaki hi thank you for your reply, I shall need more details please. Thank you, Andy

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@tattoo65 Follow the small cable that goes out. The hall sensor cables are the small ones inside

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@totofaki

Interested to know about you fitting a Kelly controller to your Tc max. You connect in replacement of your original controller? Wondering how you kept speedo, alarm etc working if you did manage to that is. 

what sort of max current did you draw through the Kelly controller to the original motor 

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@lhk you need to keep both of them, the new one connected to the throttle and the motor and the stock one for managing the rest.

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@totofaki

brilliant thanks. Where does the speed signal come from for the speedo as the hall sensors from the motor are now connected to the new speed controller?

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@lhk Very good question. It should not work and and third party one (based on gps or with a sensor on the wheel) will be needed.

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@totofaki ah yes good call 👌

Did you mod the battery at all as it’s limited to 60a or 80a depending on model. Would have thought the battery is more capable than 80a peak current. 

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@lhk I installed a kelly KLS7230S which is for a less powerful motor (3-4000w)

It was on the 2019 model whish has a less powerful controler and a battery BMS that probably allow a bit less amperage than the 2020. 

My findings are :

Yes, there is a margin on which you can play with until the BMS refuses to work. My accélérations were much stronger. The main issue that forced my to go back to the stock one was the max speed that was 70kmh on this kelly model. Did not tried a stronger one yet. 

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@totofaki

ah ok thanks for the info. Yeah would definitely be interesting to see how the bike would get on with a larger controller. Interesting to know acceleration was more powerful though

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@lhk Acceleration were better and also much smoother and enjoyable. I think it is a nice upgrade on the 2019 model, but not on the 2020 considering how much they improved it. 2019 accelerations are shaky. (But it can be nicely improved with a custom throttle)

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@totofaki I have the second gen 2019 model. Not sure if they changed accel smoothness from the first gen or not, Iv heard 2020 is a fair improvement.

Oh that’s interesting. Mode 3 on mine is super twitchy so you reckon even a throttle swap can improve smoothness?

Out of interest did you ever activate regen on your Kelly to try it out. Wondering if the stock battery BMS accepts regen or can only charge with a signal or something from a charger unit?

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@lhk This throttle is a great improvement : 
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It is much more envoyable to ride with it. I am really not sure why. More precise maybe. Maybe it is also "stickier" so less sensitive to road bumps. Also the course starts earlier.

I did not mess with the regen as it throws a lot of electricity in the system. If something is not made for it will brake.

But it seems that the controleur can deal with a certain amount of regen. When you are descending a big hill on a good speed try the following : Speed mode 1 and accelerate fully. You will see the charging icon blinking.

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@totofaki perfect thanks, il order one up and give it a try 👍

ah ok so seems you had power flowing back into the battery at some point then? That’s good to know, not sure why Tc max never allowed for atleast some regen braking just for ease of town riding without always needing to feather the brake lever.

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@totofaki was thinking about your limiting speed available when your Kelly controller was installed. You think it had anything to do with your motor pole pair setting. How did you determine how many pole pairs the Tc max motor has?

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@lhk I have no idea how many pole pairs this motor has. In fact I tried to search online and couldn't find this model. I asked super soco, no answer. 
There is a possibility there was a misconfiguration since the acceleration was much stronger than the original, to quite brutally stop at a disappointing speed.
But trust me on this, I spent 3 evenings on testing every possible parameter of the kelly, including the poles. After that I reported my results to my chinese Kelly seller that concluded it wasn't powerful enough for this 5kw motor. Indeed, they indicate on their selling page that it is best suited for 3kw motors.

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@totofaki ah ok that’s a shame. From the controller specs a continuous 120a you would think would give a much better performance although maybe the controller just can’t output a frequency for the motor above that top speed? maybe why your accel was better as it could actually draw that extra current.

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@totofaki just for your info if you refit your Kelly at some point there are 5 pole pairs or total poles 10 depending on how the controller takes the info. I imagine the motor between all Tc max are the same 👍

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Thank you, is there a way of checking the sensor. Thank you,Andy.

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